_pdp_ 2 hours ago

Our agentic builder has a single tool.

It is called graphql.

The agent writes a query and executes it. If the agent does not know how to do particular type of query then it can use graphql introspection. The agent only receives the minimal amount of data as per the graphql query saving valuable tokens.

It works better!

Not only we don't need to load 50+ tools (our entire SDK) but it also solves the N+1 problem when using traditional REST APIs. Also, you don't need to fall back to write code especially for query and mutations. But if you need to do that, the SDK is always available following graphql typed schema - which helps agents write better code!

While I was never a big fan of graphql before, considering the state of MCP, I strongly believe it is one of the best technologies for AI agents.

I wrote more about this here if you are interested: https://chatbotkit.com/reflections/why-graphql-beats-mcp-for...

  • refibrillator an hour ago

    > It works better!

    > I strongly believe it is one of the best technologies for AI agents

    Do you have any quantitative evidence to support this?

    Sincere question. I feel it would add some much needed credibility in a space where many folks are abusing the hype wave and low key shilling their products with vibes instead of rigor.

    • steveklabnik an hour ago

      I have thought about this for all of thirty seconds, but it wouldn't shock me if this was the case. The intuition here is about types, and the ability to introspect them. Agents really love automated guardrails. It makes sense to me that this would work better than RESTish stuff, even with OpenAPI.

    • brulard 21 minutes ago

      If you knew GraphQL, you may immediately see it - you ask for specific nested structure of the data, which can span many joins across different related collections. This is not the case with common REST API or CLI for example. And introspection is another good reason.

  • adverbly 22 minutes ago

    This is actually a really good use of graphql!

    IMO the biggest pain points of graphql are authorization/rate limiting, caching, and mutations... But for selective context loading none of those matter actually. Pretty cool!

  • esafak 9 minutes ago

    Can anyone recommend an open source GraphQL-based MCP/tool gateway?

  • bnchrch an hour ago

    1000%

    2 years ago I gave a talk on Vector DB's and LLM use.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_g06VqdKUc

    TLDR but it shows how you could teach an LLM your GraphQL query language to let it selectively load context into what were very small context windows at the time.

    After that the MCP specification came out. Which from my vantage point is a poor and half implemented version of what GraphQL already is.

  • roflyear 2 hours ago

    I do think that using graphql will solve a lot of problems for people but it's super surprising how many people absolutely hate it.

    • dcre 2 hours ago

      GraphQL is just a typed schema (good) with a server capable of serving any subset of the entire schema at a time (pain in the ass).

      • wrs 2 hours ago

        It doesn’t actually require that second part. Every time I’ve used it in a production system, we had an approved list of query shapes that were accepted. If the client wanted to use a new kind of query, it was performance tested and sometimes needed to be optimized before approval for use.

        If you open it up for any possible query, then give that to uncontrolled clients, it’s a recipe for disaster.

        • kaoD 2 hours ago

          Oh, we have that too! But we call it HTTP endpoints.

          • johnfn an hour ago

            Really? Hmm... where in the HTTP spec does it allow for returning an arbitrary subset of any specific request, rather than the whole thing? And where does it ensure all the results are keyed by id so that you can actually build and update a sensible cache around all of it rather than the mess that totally free-form HTTP responses lead to? Oh weird HTTP doesn't have any of that stuff? Maybe we should make a new spec, something which does allow for these patterns and behaviors? And it might be confusing if we use the exact same name as HTTP, since the usage patterns are different and it enables new abilities. If only we could think of such a name...

            • eli 43 minutes ago

              An HTTP Range request asks the server to send parts of a resource back to a client. Range requests are useful for various clients, including media players that support random access, data tools that require only part of a large file, and download managers that let users pause and resume a download.

              https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Guides/Ran...

              • 867-5309 a few seconds ago

                also handy for bypassing bandwidth restrictions: capped at 100kbps? launch 1000 workers to grab chunks then assemble the survivors

            • tlarkworthy 14 minutes ago

              Etag and cache control headers?

        • awesome_dude 2 hours ago

          Without wishing to take part in a pile on - I am wondering why you're using graphql if you are kneecapping it and restricting it to set queries.

          • wrs an hour ago

            Because it solves all sorts of other problems, like having a well-defined way to specify the schema of queries and results, and lots of tools built around that.

            I would be surprised to see many (or any) GQL endpoints in systems with significant complexity and scale that allow completely arbitrary requests.

            • lkbm an hour ago

              Shopify's GraphQL API limits you in complexity (essentially max number of fields returned), but it's basically arbitrary shapes.

          • kspacewalk2 an hour ago

            Probably for one of the reasons graphql was created in the first place - accomplish a set of fairly complex operations using one rather than a multitude of API calls. The set can be "everything" or it can be "this well-defined subset".

            • awesome_dude an hour ago

              You could be right, but that's really just "Our API makes multiple calls to itself in the background"

              I could be wrong but I thought GraphQL's point of difference from a blind proxy was that it was flexible.

              • wrs an hour ago

                It is flexible, but you don’t have to let it be infinitely flexible. There’s no practical use case for that. (Well, until LLMs, perhaps!)

                • awesome_dude an hour ago

                  I guess that I'm reading your initial post a little more strictly than you're meaning

                  • mcpeepants 9 minutes ago

                    I think they mean something like (or what I think of as) “RPC calls, but with the flexibility to select a granular subset of the result based on one or more schemas”. This is how I’ve used graphql in the past at least.

          • troupo 23 minutes ago

            > I am wondering why you're using graphql if you are kneecapping it and restricting it to set queries.

            Because you never want to expose unbounded unlimited dynamic queries in production. You do want a very small subset that you can monitor, debug, and optimize.

      • jlouis 2 hours ago

        No.

        It's a way to transmit a program from client to server. It then executes that program on the server side.

    • koakuma-chan an hour ago

      I wish people at least stopped using JavaScript and stopped writing requests to back-end by hand.

  • notpachet 2 hours ago

    Reading this was such an immediate "aha" for me. Of course we should be using GraphQL for this. Damn. Where was this comment three months ago!

jameslk 2 hours ago

> Tool Search Tool, which allows Claude to use search tools to access thousands of tools without consuming its context window

At some point, you run into the problem of having many tools that can accomplish the same task. Then you need a tool search engine, which helps you find the most relevant tool for your search keywords. But tool makers start to abuse Tool Engine Optimization (TEO) techniques to push their tools to the top of the tool rankings

  • jsight an hour ago

    We just need another tool for ranking tools via ToolRank. We'll crowdsource the ranking from a combination of user responses to the agents themselves as well as a council of LLM tool rankers.

  • bradfa 2 hours ago

    Soon we will get promoted tools who want to show their brand to the human and agent. Pay a little extra and you can have your promotion retained in context!

  • mkagenius 2 hours ago

    I would argue that lot of the tools will be hosted on GitHub - infact, most of the existing repos are potentially a tool (in future). And the discovery is just a GitHub search

    btw gh repos are already part of training the llm

    So you don't even need internet to search for tools, let alone TEO

    • michaelanckaert 2 hours ago

      Security nightmare inbound...

      The example given by Anthropic of tools filling valuable context space is a result of bad design.

      If you pass the tools below to your agent, you don't need "search tool" tool, you need good old fashion architecture: limit your tools based on the state of your agent, custom tool wrappers to limit MCP tools, routing to sub-agents, etc.

      Ref: GitHub: 35 tools (~26K tokens) Slack: 11 tools (~21K tokens) Sentry: 5 tools (~3K tokens) Grafana: 5 tools (~3K tokens) Splunk: 2 tools (~2K tokens)

      • mkagenius 2 hours ago

        Don't see whats wrong in letting llm decide which tool to call based on a search on long list of tools (or a binary tree of lists in case the list becomes too long, which is essentially what you eluded to with sub-agents)

        • michaelanckaert 2 hours ago

          I was referring to letting LLM's search github and run tools from there. That's like randomly searching the internet for code snippets and blindly running them on your production machine.

          • mkagenius 2 hours ago

            For that, we need sandboxes to run the code in an isolated environment.

            • michaelanckaert an hour ago

              Sure to protect your machine, but what about data security? Do I want to allow unknown code to be run on my private/corporate data?

              Sandbox all you want but sooner or later your data can be exfiltrated. My point is giving an LLM unrestricted access to random code that can be run is a bad idea. Curate carefully is my approach.

  • buremba 2 hours ago

    Just wait for the people to update their LinkedIn titles to TEO expert. :)

  • michaelanckaert 2 hours ago

    Don't give anyone any ideas. We now have SEO, GEO, AEO and now TEO? :-p

mrinterweb 13 minutes ago

The whole time while reading over this, I was thinking how a small orchestrator local model might help with somewhat known workflows. Programmatic orchestration is ideal, but can be impractical for all cases. In the interest of reducing context pollution, improving speed, and providing a better experience; I would think the ideal hierarchy for orchestration would be programmatic > tiny local LLM > frontier LLM. The tiny model doesn't need to be local as computers have varying resources.

I would think there would be some things a tiny model would be capable of competently managing and faster. The tiny model's context could be regularly cleared, and only relevant outputs could be sent to the larger model's context.

jmward01 2 hours ago

The Programmatic Tool Calling has been an obvious next step for a while. It is clear we are heading towards code as a language for LLMs so defining that language is very important. But I'm not convinced of tool search. Good context engineering leaves the tools you will need so adding a search if you are going to use all of them is just more overhead. What is needed is a more compact tool definition language like, I don't know, every programming language ever in how they define functions. We also need objects (which hopefully Programatic Tool Calling solves or the next version will solve). In the end I want to drop objects into context with exposed methods and it knows the type and what is callable on they type.

  • fny an hour ago

    Why exactly do we need a new language? The agents I write get access to a subset of the Python SDK (i.e. non-destructive), packages, and custom functions. All this ceremony around tools and pseudo-RPC seems pointless given LLMs are extremely capable of assembling code by themselves.

  • menix 2 hours ago

    The latest MCP specifications (2025-06-18+) introduced crucial enhancements like support for Structured Content and the Output Schema.

    Smolagents makes use of this and handles tool output as objects (e.g. dict). Is this what you are thinking about?

    Details in a blog post here: https://huggingface.co/blog/llchahn/ai-agents-output-schema

    • jmward01 12 minutes ago

      We just need simple language syntax like python and for models to be trained on it (which they already mostly are):

      class MyClass(SomeOtherClass):

        def my_func(a:str, b:int) -> int: 
      
          #Put the description (if needed) in the body for the llm.
      
      That is way more compact than the json schema out there. Then you can have 'available objects' listed like: o1 (MyClass), o2 (SomeOtherClass) as the starting context. Combine this with programatic tool calling and there you go. Much much more compact. Binds well to actual code and very flexible. This is the obvious direction things are going. I just wish Anthropic and OpenAI would realize it and define it/train models to it sooner rather than later.

      edit: I should also add that inline response should be part of this too: The model should be able to do ```<code here>``` and keep executing with only blocking calls requiring it to stop generating until the block frees up. so, for instance, the model could ```r = start_task(some task)``` generate other things ```print(r.value())``` (probably with various awaits and the like here but you all get the point).

jawns 28 minutes ago

I'm starting to notice a pattern with these AI assistants.

Scenario: I realize that the recommended way to do something with the available tools is inefficient, so I implement it myself in a much more efficient way.

Then, 2-3 months later, new tools come out to make all my work moot.

I guess it's the price of living on the cutting edge.

tfirst 3 hours ago

We seem to be on a cycle of complexity -> simplicity -> complexity with AI agent design. First we had agents like Manus or Devin that had massive scaffolding around them, then we had simple LLMs in loops, then MCP added capabilities at the cost of context consumption, then in the last month everything has been bash + filesystem, and now we're back to creating more complex tools.

I wonder if there will be another round of simplifications as models continue to improve, or if the scaffolding is here to stay.

  • roncesvalles 22 minutes ago

    It's because attention dilution stymies everything. A new chat window in the web app is the smartest the model is ever going to be. Everything you prompt into its context, without sophisticated memory management* makes it dumber. Those big context frameworks are like giving the model a concussion before it does the first task.

    *which also pollutes the attention btw; saying "forget about this" doesn't make the model forget about it - it just remembers to forget about it.

  • Aperocky 3 hours ago

    Most of the time people sit on complex because they don't have a strong enough incentive to move from something that appears/happen to work, with AI, cost would be a huge incentive.

  • mettamage 3 hours ago

    Hmm the Gemini API doesn’t need MCP for tool-use if I understand correctly. It just needs registered functions

    • simonw 2 hours ago

      I don't think any of the mainstream vendor APIs require MCP for tool use - they all supported functions (generally defined using a chunk of OpenAPI JSON schema) before the MCP spec gained widespread acceptance and continue to do so today.

      • lebovic 2 hours ago

        Yep, the Anthropic API supported tool use well before an MCP-related construct was added to the API (MCP connector in May of this year).

        While it's not an API, Anthropic's Agent SDK does require MCP to use custom tools.

  • behnamoh 3 hours ago

    This is what I've been talking about for a few months now. the AI field seems to reinvent the wheel every few months. And because most people really don't know what they're talking about, they just jump on the hype and adopt the new so-called standards without really thinking if it's the right approach. It really annoys me because I have been following some open source projects that have had some genuinely novel ideas about AI agent design. And they are mostly ignored by the community. But as soon as a large company like Anthropic or OpenAI starts a trend, suddenly everyone adopts it.

    • fishmicrowaver 3 hours ago

      Well, what are those projects? I don't speak for anyone else, but I'm generally fatigued by the endless parade of science fair projects at this point, and operate under the assumption that if an approach is good enough, openai/anthropic/google will fold useful ideas under their tools/products.

losvedir 24 minutes ago

I never really understood why you have to stuff all the tools in the context. Is there something wrong with having all your tools in, say, a markdown file, and having a subagent read it with a description of the problem at hand and returning just the tool needed at that moment? Is that what this tool search is?

fofoz an hour ago

It’s quite obvious that at some point the entire web will become a collection of billions of tools; Google will index them all, and Gemini will dynamically select them to perform actions in the world for you. Honestly, I expected this with Gemini 3

michaelanckaert 2 hours ago

The "Tool Search Tool" is like a clever addition that could easily be added yourself to other models / providers. I did something similar with a couple of agents I wrote.

First LLM Call: only pass the "search tool" tool. The output of that tool is a list of suitable tools the LLM searched for. Second LLM Call: pass the additional tools that were returned by the "search tool" tool.

  • stavros an hour ago

    When reading the article, I thought this would be an LLM call, ie the main agent would call `find_tool("I need something that can create GitHub PRs")`, and then a subagent with all the MCP tools loaded in its context would return the names of the suitable ones.

    I guess regex/full text search works too, but the LLM would be much less sensitive to keywords.

  • RobertDeNiro 2 hours ago

    Since its a tool itself, I dont see the benefit of relying on Anthropic for this. if anything it now becomes vendor lock in.

    • michaelanckaert 2 hours ago

      Correct, I wouldn't use it myself as it's a trivial addition to your implementation. Personally I keep all my work in this space as provider agnostic as I can. When the bubble eventually pops there will be victims, and you don't want a stack that's hard coded to one of the casualties.

    • BoorishBears an hour ago

      They can post-train the model on usage of their specific tool along with the specific prompt they're using.

      LLMs generalize obviously, but I also wouldn't be shocked if it performs better than a "normal" implementation.

cube2222 3 hours ago

Nice! Feature #2 here is basically an implementation of the “write code to call tools instead of calling them directly” that was a big topic of conversation recently.

It uses their Python sandbox, is available via API, and exposes the tool calls themselves as normal tool calls to the API client - should be really simple to use!

Batch tool calling has been a game-changer for the AI assistant we've built into our product recently, and this sounds like a further evolution of this, really (primarily, it's about speed; if you can accomplish 2x more tools calls in one turn, it will usually mean your agent is now 2x faster).

behnamoh 3 hours ago

I cannot believe all these months and years people have been loading all of the tool JSON schemas upfront. This is such a waste of context window and something that was already solved three years ago.

  • michaelanckaert 2 hours ago

    ^ this. Careful design of what tools are passed when is key to good agent design.

  • qntty 2 hours ago

    Solved how?

rfw300 2 hours ago

I am extremely excited to use programmatic tool use. This has, to date, been the most frustrating aspect of MCP-style tools for me: if some analysis requires the LLM to first fetch data and then write code to analyze it, the LLM is forced to manually copy a representation of the data into its interpreter.

Programmatic tool use feels like the way it always should have worked, and where agents seem to be going more broadly: acting within sandboxed VMs with a mix of custom code and programmatic interfaces to external services. This is a clear improvement over the LangChain-style Rupe Goldberg machines that we dealt with last year.

morelandjs an hour ago

Their tool code use makes a lot of sense, but I don’t really get their tool search approach.

We originally had RAG as a form of search to discover potentially relevant information for the context. Then with MCP we moved away from that and instead dumped all the tool descriptions into the context and let the LLM decide, and it turned out this was way better and more accurate.

Now it seems like the basic MCP approach leads to the LLM context running out of memory due to being flooded with too many tool descriptions. And so now we are back to calling search (not RAG but something else) to determine what’s potentially relevant.

Seems like we traded scalability for accuracy, then accuracy for scalability… but I guess maybe we’ve come out on top because whatever they are using for tool search is better than RAG?

_jab 2 hours ago

Programmatic tool invocation is a great idea, but it also increasingly raises the question of what the point of well-defined tools even is now.

Most MCP servers are just wrappers around existing, well-known APIs. If agents are now given an environment for arbitrary code execution, why not just let them call those APIs directly?

  • jonfw 2 hours ago

    Tools are more reproducible than prompts w/ instructions to hit apis. They are helpful for agentic workflows that you intend to run multiple times or without supervision.

    They aren't worth bothering with for one off tasks or supervised workflows.

    The major advantage is that a tool can provide a more opinionated interface to the API then your openAPI definition.If the API is generic, then it may have more verbose output or more complex input then is ideal for the use case. Tools are a good place to bake any opinion in that might make it easier to use for the LLM

BenderV an hour ago

It feels crazy to me that we are building "tool search" instead of building real tool with interface, state and available actions. Think how would you define a Calculator, a Browser, a Car...?

I think, notably, one of the errors has been to name functions calls "tools"...

buremba 2 hours ago

So essentially all Claude users are going to surface the "coding agent", making it more suitable even for generic-purpose agents. That makes sense right after their blog post explaining the context bloating for MCPs.

I have been trying a similar idea that takes your MCP configs and runs WASM JavaScript in case you're building a browser-based agent: https://github.com/buremba/1mcp

RobertDeNiro 2 hours ago

These meta features are nice, but I feel they create new issues. Like debugging. Since this tool search feature is completely opaque, the wrong tool might not get selected. Then you'll have to figure out if it was the search, and if it was how you can push the right tool to the top.

gcanyon an hour ago

So how close is this to “RAG for tools”? In the sense that RAG handles aspects of your task outside of the LLM, leaving the LLM to do what it does best.

arianvanp 2 hours ago

Okay so this is just the `apropos` and `whatis` command¥ to search through available man pages. Then `man` command to discover how the tools work. Followed by tool execution?

Really. We should be treating Claude code more like a shell session. No need for MCPs

  • dboreham 2 hours ago

    Some have been saying this since MCP appeared.

vessenes 3 hours ago

I'm confused about these tools - is this a decorator that you can add to your MCP server tools so that they don't pollute the context? How else would I add a "tool" for claude to use?

  • cube2222 3 hours ago

    When you make API calls to generate chat completions, you specify a list of tools. They can be MCP tools, or just arbitrary tool metadata.

    The API will then respond when it needs the client code to compute a tool output.

    • vessenes 23 minutes ago

      got it, thanks!

pupppet 3 hours ago

What’s the best way to prevent the input context from compounding with each tool call?

tinyhouse an hour ago

So basically the idea of Claude Skills just for Tools.

postalrat 3 hours ago

Tools for tools. How about an LLM tool for tools?